“We’re the embarrassment in the room,” May said. “Even after four years of Trump, [Canada's] record is significantly worse, so we really need to face facts. It’s the time for tough love.” The special Earth Day program included violin performances by Toronto Symphony Orchestra's Yolanda Bruno, and a video Q&A from the Observer subscriber community.

Conversations is presented by the Canadian Centre for Journalism. This episode was sponsored by Canada's National Observer.